mage67 (mage67) wrote,
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Who is a worse ruler?

With the popularity of Henry VIII historical fiction recently with the Tudors and The Other Boleyn Girl, I was debating with someone on who was the worse ruler:

Henry VIII or George W. Bush?

I wrote this from scratch btw, since I was asked about it several times.




Henry VIII
vs.
George W. Bush
Cardinal Wolsey, Thomas Moore, Thomas Cromwell. Often they ran the kingdom instead of their boss.
Advisers
Colin Powell, Condaleeza Rice, Dick Cheney. Often they ran the country instead of their boss.
Constant fighting in Spain and France that resulted in nothing except bankrupting England and killing people
War Legacy
Constant fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan that resulted in nothing except bankrupting the USA and killing people
Many: Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard, Catherine Paar and many others he didn't marry who he had many illegitimate children with. Most of his children did not live to adulthood and some were born deformed. Only male heir is Edward VI who did not live long after Henry VIII.
Women/heirs
Only Laura, who he needed a fertility clinic to help him conceive twin girls. No male heirs. He looks to Jeb Bush and Jeb's son George P. Bush. for his heirs.
Hates the pope and thinks he the king knows better
Stand on the Pope
Loves the pope and thinks he the President knows better
Thinks he is the chief religious authority and god gave him the right to rule over morality
Stand on Religion
Thinks he is a servant of god and god gave him the right to rule over morality
Thinks he is the highest authority in England and will kill anyone challenging that or anyone who could pose a threat to that. He thinks he is the law.
Stand on Power
Thinks he is the highest authority in the US and will push out of the way anyone challenging that or anyone who could pose a threat to that. He thinks he is the law.
Blames underlings and rivals for his failures in policy and has them killed and disgraced
Handling Responsibility
Blames underlings and rivals for his failures in policy and has them just disgraced
Screw the poor
Views on Charity
God helps those who help themselves, except in Africa where he will help
Dissolve the monasteries and liquidate them for all they're worth; tax people until they scream and then tax them more; use the money to fight wars for his glory. Legacy of massive debt and exhaustion of assets for the entire country.
Economic Policy
Cut taxes and build up massive debt. Use the money to make the rich richer and to fight wars for his glory. Legacy of massive debt only.
Father Henry VII killed Richard III and usurped the throne. Henry VIII's older brother Arthur died so that he inherited the crown. Was not trained for the job because he was not expected to rule and was trained to be a religious figure in his youth.
How he rose to power
Father's influence helped him win the presidency. Stole the presidency from Gore. Did not train himself for the job since he did not expect to rule, but found religion later that inspired him to usurp the presidency.
When young he was handsome, athletic, energetic, and virile and participated in jousting, tennis, hunting, wrestling, and other sports frequently. When old he was as fat as Marlon Brando and looked grotesque.
Looks
When young he was a cheerleader. Not much has changed in looks except he has grayer hair.
Parliament let him do whatever he wanted. Ironically his abolishing the church's authority in England made Parliament stronger than it had ever been, but they still let him do whatever he wanted.
Checks and balances
Congress let him do whatever he wanted. Ironically this led to his Democratic rivals seizing power in Congress, but they still let him do whatever he wanted.
For life-reign of 38 years
Term in Office
8 years, unless he's granted emergency powers
A disastrous but entertaining reign, during and long after his reign. Didn't give a damn about how he was remembered as long as he was happy and had a male heir.
Result
A disastrous but entertaining reign, but only while he's reigning. Believes history will vindicate him.


It's easy to say it's W because he's contemporary and we have to suffer him directly while Henry VIII hurt no one in our lifetimes directly.

What is your vote?

Poll #1166244 Worse ruler?

Which ruler is worse?

Henry VIII
4(57.1%)
George W. Bush
3(42.9%)
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